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0:00 Teaser
0:48 The Infinity Machine, Sebastian’s book about Demis Hassabis
3:04 Why tell the AI story through Hassabis?
6:54 Hassabis vs the other AI titans
15:39 Does Hassabis have a messiah complex?
29:47 Deep learning’s secret sauce
36:51 Did world models cost DeepMind its LLM lead?
45:20 Why they call Hassabis “the Jedi”
51:52 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Sebastian Mallaby (Council on Foreign Relations, More Money Than God, The Infinity Machine). Recorded August 19, 2026.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 Mythos, the OpenAI breakout, and the state of AI safety
10:52 Why open weights =/= open source
18:26 Is China more safety-pilled than we think?
24:08 The biggest danger(s) of the AGI race

Overtime video:

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