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0:00 Teaser
0:43 Steve’s book In Covid’s Wake: How Our Politics Failed Us
10:41 Were school closures smart policy?
18:03 The mask mandate question
24:12 Did medical experts get too much say?
30:39 The role of social class and political tribe
37:32 How dissent was suppressed
45:38 Bob takes a jab at Jay Bhattacharya
48:31 Heading to OT: Why Steve wrote the book
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Stephen Macedo (Princeton University, In Covid’s Wake). Recorded September 16, 2025.
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Overtime titles:
Lab leak or natural origin?
Fauci’s sketchy Covid conduct.
Why lab leak matters—even if it didn’t happen.
Has Rand Paul been vindicated on gain of function?
Overtime video:
