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Israel’s Lobby (Robert Wright, Eli Clifton, and Ian Lustick)
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Israel’s Lobby (Robert Wright, Eli Clifton, and Ian Lustick)

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0:00 Ian and Eli’s new book, Israel’s Lobby
1:37 Being a Jewish critic of Israel before that was cool
10:17 How Eli followed the money
14:57 What’s changed since the 2007 Walt-Mearsheimer book
23:22 What is the Israel lobby, really?
27:36 BDS, free speech, and the college antisemitism crusade
40:44 Did Trump give the game away?
44:26 The Israel lobby and the media
46:53 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True), Eli Clifton (The Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, Israel's Lobby), and Ian Lustick (The Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, University of Pennsylvania, Israel's Lobby). Recorded August 27, 2026.

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Overtime titles:

0:00 Is MSM blind to pro-Israel billionaire bias?
7:20 The lag between public opinion and policy on Israel
16:03 On the origin of “rogue states”
23:24 Are Israelis becoming more extreme?
31:05 Israel’s security dilemma
39:25 Is a (peaceful) one-state solution possible?
44:42 Ian: Israel has been a victim of the lobby’s success

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