Listen now | 0:00 Epstein's Israel connections 9:11 Epstein's history of blackmail 22:19 Was it suicide? 26:45 Epstein's creepy relationship with Trump 31:52 Why won’t Trump release the files? 38:35 The Israel connection(s) 50:57 Some Epstein-Wexner weirdness 56:59 What’s the deal with Ghislaine? 1:03:27 Was it suicide? (cont’d) 1:15:47 Influence operation or personal fetish operation? Or both? 1:26:54 Epstein's strangely light 2008 sentence 1:32:45 The political cost for Trump 1:37:03 How dangerous is Trump?Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Mickey Kaus (kausfiles, The End of Equality). Recorded August 11, 2025.Mickey's Substack: https://kaus.substack.com/Twitter: https://twitter.com/NonzeroPods
This is all great fun but the reliance on such internet luminaries as Darryl Cooper and Eric Weinstein undermines Mickey’s arguments. Also logic built on shakey facts, if you’re going to claim Epstein has Mossad connection because of Barak, you had better know if Barak was actually ever in Mossad, for the record 5 minutes of googling says he wasn’t.
Why would Epstein lie about the first attempt on his life if it was attempted murder? If he reported it, then people would know that any further attempts were murders, so the perpetrators would not be able to frame it as a suicide. As a result, they would be less likely to kill him since they know they'd be investigated. That might not deter hardcore gang members, but it might deter powerful billionaires or intelligence agencies.
Bob, as you suggested during this interview, you should absolutely try to have Michael Tracey on your podcast! He can completely discredit several of the authorities that seem to be informing your take on this saga: Virginia Giuffre, Julie Brown, Vicky Ward. Even if you don't have him on, you should read his substack articles. I like Darryl Cooper, and I was captivated by his Tucker interview, but Michael Tracey more or less annihilates the most sensational part of Cooper's telling of the story.
Great episode. Listening to it was like going to a reunion concert by a band you like that just plays one of their better regarded albums cover to cover. Surprised Mickey didn’t vote for Trump in 24— coulda sworn he said he did.
At last! Mickey, oh how we've missed you. Can't wait to dive in.
Best of health to you both!
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We missed you Mickey
You were distinctively illuminating! Thank you guys.
This is all great fun but the reliance on such internet luminaries as Darryl Cooper and Eric Weinstein undermines Mickey’s arguments. Also logic built on shakey facts, if you’re going to claim Epstein has Mossad connection because of Barak, you had better know if Barak was actually ever in Mossad, for the record 5 minutes of googling says he wasn’t.
Why would Epstein lie about the first attempt on his life if it was attempted murder? If he reported it, then people would know that any further attempts were murders, so the perpetrators would not be able to frame it as a suicide. As a result, they would be less likely to kill him since they know they'd be investigated. That might not deter hardcore gang members, but it might deter powerful billionaires or intelligence agencies.
Yeah I think there was an audio delay as Bob said. Mickey, please forgive Bob for some interruptions (not all!). I think they were caused by that.
Ah, my Mickey fix.
What if 80% of the cameras in that prison routinely didn't work?
Bob, as you suggested during this interview, you should absolutely try to have Michael Tracey on your podcast! He can completely discredit several of the authorities that seem to be informing your take on this saga: Virginia Giuffre, Julie Brown, Vicky Ward. Even if you don't have him on, you should read his substack articles. I like Darryl Cooper, and I was captivated by his Tucker interview, but Michael Tracey more or less annihilates the most sensational part of Cooper's telling of the story.
Great episode. Listening to it was like going to a reunion concert by a band you like that just plays one of their better regarded albums cover to cover. Surprised Mickey didn’t vote for Trump in 24— coulda sworn he said he did.
I would think that if a person claimed to have evidence proving a felony that that evidence could be subpoenaed.
Great to hear Bob’s post-surgery sense of humor :)
And nice to see that Mickey is still an idiot.
Maybe it was assisted suicide.