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0:00 Overtime teaser
0:43 David’s AI safety work, past and present
2:42 Has there been a vibe shift in AI?
8:03 Why two AI godfathers went doomer
12:14 The OpenAI breakout as the warning shot heard round the world
20:52 Breaking down the OpenAI breakout
29:07 AI agents are cooperating. Why?
37:46 Is an AI pause near?
42:36 The hard problem of AI alignment
47:30 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and David Krueger (The University of Montréal, Evitable). Recorded August 13, 2026.
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Overtime titles:
0:00 What the Pacing the Frontier letter got right (and wrong)
9:29 What does “solving” alignment actually mean?
18:27 Is a global AI pause even possible?
27:41 The open source AI dilemma
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