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0:00 Courtney’s and Alex’s Always at War podcast
4:44 Have restrainers given up on Trump?
10:46 The legacies of Hamilton Jordan
16:07 Courtney: Money drives war
25:16 Palantir cashes in
32:21 Alex: Blame American exceptionalism first
43:18 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True), Alex Jordan (The Quincy Institute, Always at War), and Courtney Rawlings (The Quincy Institute, Always at War). Recorded June 23, 2025.
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Overtime titles:
0:00 What Bob believes leads nations to war
10:42 Cognitive biases in international relations
19:04 Ideological think tanks and the media
28:16 Will Americans ever see through the propaganda?
Overtime video:
