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The Future of Intelligence (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)
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The Future of Intelligence (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)

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0:00 Teaser
0:49 Paul’s new baby is reportedly cute
6:54 The Tucker-Trump fracture
12:16 Parenting later in life
19:36 Paul’s TED talk on AI and loneliness
25:25 When does embryo screening become eugenics?
34:13 Is intelligence a positional good?
43:00 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (https://smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded April 22, 2026.

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Overtime titles:

Modern fatherhood.
How Bob bonded with Al Gore.
Tony Robbins and Easter Island.
Betting on our AI future.
Theories of parenting.
Why are siblings so different?

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