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0:00 Bob and Eli’s history of (civil) disagreement on Iran
1:38 Is Trump’s war on Iran legal? Does it matter?
7:47 Who’s the real rogue state?
19:02 Israel’s nukes and Iran’s nuclear program
29:41 Is Israel more moral than Iran?
38:21 How Hamas became Hamas
45:40 “Proxy,” “theocracy,” and other fighting words
54:20 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True), Eli Lake (The Free Press, Breaking History, The Re-Education). Recorded April 6, 2026.
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Overtime titles:
0:00 Is Iran a rational actor?
11:06 Differing views on the 1953 CIA coup
33:41 Cognitive bias and the Middle East conflict
42:00 The West Bank question(s)
44:50 Does Iran really want to destroy Israel?
53:24 What does Israel want for the region?
Overtime video:
