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0:00 Teaser
0:49 Stephen’s expertise in spooky AI behavior
3:51 Testing AIs for “corporate loyalty”
20:19 Which AIs shill most for their makers?
33:21 Do AI models have ideologies?
38:59 The spookiest finding of Stephen’s study
43:26 Are AIs getting better at gaming their tests?
50:25 Overtime unlocked: The OpenAI breakout
55:24 Decoding the OpenAI breakout
1:02:38 Did OpenAI’s agents evolve their own culture?
1:13:46 How OpenAI’s agents outfoxed their makers

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Stephen Casper (Harvard Kennedy School). Recorded August 26, 2026.

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Excerpt from Ch.11, “Hive Minds and the Loss of Control”, of The God Test: https://thegodtest.net/chapter-11.html

Overtime titles:

Stephen’s p-doom post-OpenAI-breakout.
Is safe AI possible in an arms race?
Stephen: AI safety is a (technically) solved problem.
The open source AI question(s).
A hopeful stat amid the spookiness.

Overtime video:

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