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0:00 Are Bob and Mike the godfathers of podcasting?
5:46 Slate and the origins of podcasting
9:12 NotebookLM’s humanless podcasts
13:41 From blogs to Substack
17:48 Looking back at BloggingHeads
23:14 The tribalizing influence of algorithms
30:49 New news models
39:37 What happened to the rules in professional sports?
48:25 The consequences of paying college athletes
59:44 Mike’s comprehensive take on sports gambling
1:06:21 Heading into OT: The perils of opining on Israel
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Mike Pesca (The Gist). Recorded December 23, 2025.
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Overtime titles:
0:00 Losing subscribers over Israel
9:02 Is Bibi boosting antisemitism?
17:57 Bob: The Bibi-antisemitism question shouldn’t be taboo
19:20 Mike steelmans Jonah Goldberg
27:38 Why bother with such a controversial topic?
32:25 What works on Substack?
