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Apologies to anyone who's been trying to comment since this issue went out last night: For reasons I don't understand (but am probably responsible for) the Substack dashboard was set to not accept comments from anyone. If you're reading this, I think that means I've fixed the problem.

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First, I really appreciate your asking for (and presumably considering) our input. In the often one-way world of podcasts and media, it is a real treat and responsibility. That said, I have a few items of feedback:

1. I have found the Twitter environment to be pernicious, and I think there's a pretty strong body of evidence that exposure to things like negativity and tribalism -- and just to bad ideas generally, things that aren't true -- affects the person consuming them, *even if they are aware of the effect.* I also find Twitter addictive personally, and am better able to be the person I want to be with the app and my old accounts deleted. So there's a high bar for me to join or even endorse a Twitter-based project on that grounds alone.

2. To the extent I understand Twitter, the motivating impulses I've found in it were likes/retweets and negative feedback. Negative feedback seems to get the most attention. I'm not sure it changes behavior. Exposure to ideas might. So why not just buy a bunch of ads stating aphorisms about tribalism and linking to the project? I suppose that may be what the Lincoln Project thought it was?

3. The "anti-tribal tribe" language confuses me a bit, because it seems like a slippery slope to the "tribalism for thee but not for me" hypocrisy you point out in Sam Harris. I assume your intent is to say that "tribe" there is reminding members that they are not above tribalism. But that then leads to the question of what defines the tribe. If the definition is anti-tribalism, it feels a bit like the utopian cults that forbade reproduction.

4. As I know you are aware, people seem to define tribes in opposition to an out-group more than they do affirmatively. I gather that is why the definition is "anti-tribal" rather than "pro-unity" or "positive sum engineers" or something like that. And obviously out-group criticism is how Twitter works, and probably how most of human history has worked. But Will Durant writes about ages of organic growth alternating with ages of critical tearing-down. Is there potential for a more organic growth-oriented anti-tribal community?

5. Otherwise, when you ask how to organize a tribe in opposition, the tricks are tried and true. Create grievances. Exaggerate insults and harm caused by the out group. Turn material interests into human myths -- make control of the Dardanelles a referendum on the kidnapping of beautiful Helen, or make control of the Caribbean into vengeance for Jenkins's ear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins%27_Ear). Make fun of others for what defines them in opposition and emphasize the virtues of what they lack. Employ violence.

But I know those are not the things you have in mind, and indeed that the end you have in mind seems to be a meta-goal of demonstrating a higher form of discourse and interaction? Or does it? Perhaps end goals would better define the mission for us? Otherwise it feels a bit like you want backup from people who may not otherwise be active on Twitter to help you play the game Twitter programs people to play.

Apologies if I am off-base on any of this, and let me reiterate my genuine gratitude for your openness to feedback from us here. I am excited to hear everything you come up with, and would love to help midwife your next projects in whatever way I can!

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