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0:00 Teaser
0:49 Zaid’s Substack and spicy-take history
3:16 Zaid: Iran has outplayed Trump and Bibi
10:17 10/7 as turning point
13:50 Did—and does—Israel want regime collapse in Iran?
20:15 Israel’s security dilemma(s)
27:13 How Trump blundered back into war
33:57 Will the war end well for anyone?
37:44 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Zaid Jilani (https://www.theamericansaga.com/). Recorded July 14, 2026.
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Overtime titles:
The Center for American Progress saga.
Is speech policing rocket fuel for radicalization?
Zaid’s side gig.
Overtime video:
