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0:00 Teaser
1:11 Hamidreza’s background
9:16 A brief history of US-Iran relations
15:44 Understanding Iranian antipathy toward Israel
21:43 Islam vs Islamism
30:50 The Iran-Iraq security dilemma
36:39 The Iran-Israel security dilemma
45:22 Palestinian objectives and patrons
48:21 Heading into Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Hamidreza Azizi (The Axis of Resistance, German Institute for International and Security Affairs). Recorded May 14, 2026.
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Overtime titles:
Are Iran’s “proxies” really proxies?
What Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis share.
Iran’s (non)role in October 7.
Can Iran really “activate” the Houthis?
Are Iranians rallying around the flag?
The regime’s future viability.
Bob’s Strait of Hormuz plan.
Trump’s off-ramp problem.
Overtime video:
