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Why the Israel-Palestine Conflict Persists (Robert Wright & Robert Malley)
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Why the Israel-Palestine Conflict Persists (Robert Wright & Robert Malley)

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0:00 The deal Hamas offered Bibi before October 7
11:50 How October 7 changed the landscape
22:34 Why Clinton’s Camp David talks failed
37:44 What Arafat was actually offered at Camp David
46:01 The centrality of the right of return
51:35 Beyond two states
55:57 Heading into OT: Abandoning false optimism is not pessimism

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Robert Malley (Yale - Jackson School of Global Affairs, Tomorrow is Yesterday). Recorded September 23, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

Now what?
Does recognizing a Palestinian state help?
Palestinian civil disobedience.
Bob suggests a conspiracy theory to Rob.
The Israel lobby in American politics.
Why did Biden fail to restore the Iran deal?
What was Sinwar hoping for?

Overtime video:

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