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0:00 Teaser
0:34 Garrison’s background and his new book, Obsolete
5:54 Is the left dangerously downplaying AI?
13:01 What is the “obsoleting project”?
17:51 Inside the minds of Altman and Amodei
21:53 Has the job-pocalypse already begun?
33:24 Why AI bio-threats could be extra deadly
37:14 Is alignment doomed?
47:26 “Verifiable rewards” and the OpenAI breakout
53:51 Garrison’s proposal to stop the AI race
1:00:28 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Garrison Lovely (Obsolete). Recorded September 30, 2026.
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Overtime titles:
Did Yudkowsky wait too late to speak out?
Culture clash: Anthropic vs OpenAI.
Garrison’s rebuttal to the “but China” argument.
Overtime video:
