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0:00 Teaser
1:05 Overtime preview: a civil(-ish) debate on Israel-Palestine
4:22 How vibe-coding changed Liron’s life
9:59 Portents of the AI jobpocalypse
18:56 What can humans do that AI agents can’t?
28:04 The Darwinian case for AI doom
31:26 OpenClaw vs SkyNet
37:48 Liron: I love AI! We need to stop it.
44:27 Amodei, Altman, and the Pentagon triangle
53:04 Heading to Overtime
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Liron Shapira (Pause AI, Doom Debates). Recorded March 10, 2026.
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Overtime titles:
0:00 Google’s strangely stagnant stock
2:59 The power of the Martian POV
9:19 What do Israelis and Palestinians actually want?
29:01 The Palestinian statehood question
52:17 Would Liron think differently if he were Palestinian?
1:01:16 Bob says the rationalists are confused about Bayesianism
1:05:05 The (double) crux of Bob and Liron’s disagreement
1:09:25 What Bob and Liron *do* agree on
Overtime video:
