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Pope Francis, Peacemaker or Appeaser? | NonZero World feat. Michael Brendan Dougherty
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Pope Francis, Peacemaker or Appeaser? | NonZero World feat. Michael Brendan Dougherty

Plus: Trump's quiet threat to free speech

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0:00 The new NonZero World
1:21 Headlines
4:36 Stories of the week
17:19 Michael Brendan Dougherty on Pope Francis' foreign policy legacy
18:55 Michael: The pope should be a voice for peace
23:44 A European church no more
27:21 Michael: The Vatican went too far in deal with China
37:07 How the Holy See helped Obama reach out to Cuba
44:37 The pope's moral clarity on Gaza
48:44 A restrainer in the Vatican?

Recorded April 25, 2025.

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Discussed in Overtime:

How the next pope might approach foreign policy.
Cardinal Pizzaballa's remarkable Gaza exchange offer.
Ending the church's "civil war."
Chaos at the Pentagon.
The intra-GOP foreign policy battle.

Overtime video:

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