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Ukraine, Iran, and America’s Arms Overreach (Robert Wright & Jennifer Kavanagh)
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Ukraine, Iran, and America’s Arms Overreach (Robert Wright & Jennifer Kavanagh)

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0:00 Jennifer’s foreign policy bona fides
1:07 Could Ukraine and Iran merge into one big war?
5:53 Is Ukraine really “turning the tide”?
15:04 America’s (and Ukraine’s) missile defense issue
18:44 Putin’s ceasefire conditions
25:35 What—and who—are America’s missiles for, really?
29:47 How not to open the Hormuz Strait
41:09 How will the Iran war truly end?
51:05 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Jennifer Kavanagh (Defense Priorities). Recorded August 06, 2026.

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Overtime titles:

Would a US defeat in Iran be good for the world—the US included?
Can Iran and Israel ever peacefully coexist?
China and other cognitive empathy failures of the Blob.
America’s "total security" problem.

Overtime video:

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