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Elon’s Pathetic Surrender (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)
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Elon’s Pathetic Surrender (Robert Wright & Paul Bloom)

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0:00 The Trump-Musk blowup, reconciliation, and fallout
20:46 Trump vs Elon: a psycho-analysis
26:19 Where do Trump and Elon go from here?
30:18 Remembering Brian Wilson and Sly Stone
39:24 Will AI turn us all into narcissists?
46:07 Heading to Overtime

Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Paul Bloom (https://smallpotatoes.paulbloom.net, University of Toronto, The Sweet Spot, Against Empathy). Recorded June 12, 2025.

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Overtime titles:

On the rise of novel baby names. Trump’s aggressive riot response.
Paul flunks Sly Stone pop quiz.
The Golden Girls and other TV crushes. Obscenities—then and now.
The accidental genius of Archie Bunker.
Prospects for recovering from Trump.
Bob’s Matrix missed connection.

Overtime video:

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