0:00 Teaser
1:04 How AI helped shape cancer treatment for Nathan’s son
15:52 Should you tell your doctor about your AI medical adviser?
20:37 Big leaps for Gemini 3 and Claude Opus 4.5
27:59 How to get the best medical advice from your AI
34:37 The astonishing breadth of AI expertise
42:26 AI can help on the margins
55:55 Bob’s AI cancer journey
1:11:41 AI and “Right to try”
1:21:08 “Turning every stone” vs falling into anxiety rabbit holes
1:25:50 Gemini 3 vs Opus 4.5
1:31:58 Are scaling laws leveling off?
1:43:02 AI deception
1:47:36 Experiments in AI Consciousness
Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Nathan Labenz (Cognitive Revolution, Waymark AI). Recorded December 03, 2025.
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